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1. CH Products Flight Sim Yoke USB
$49.88
2. Diamondback Game Mouse Plasma
$29.44 list($39.99)
3. Logitech Cordless Rumblepad 2
$75.99 list($99.95)
4. Logitech MOMO Force Feedback Racing
$245.09 list($299.99)
5. Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar Flight
$26.59 $26.51 list($49.99)
6. Belkin Nostromo Speedpad n52 (
$24.69 $23.78 list($29.99)
7. Logitech Rumblepad 2 Vibration
$24.69 $19.49 list($34.99)
8. Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joystick
$37.80 $17.49 list($49.99)
9. Logitech Wingman Force 3D
$82.64 list($109.95)
10. CH Products USB Combatstick 568
$37.99 $32.36 list($49.99)
11. Saitek Cyborg Evo Joystick
$115.89 list($189.90)
12. CH Products Flight Sim Yoke USB
$53.99 list($69.99)
13. Logitech WingMan Formula Force
$18.99 $16.44 list()
14. Logitech USB Keyboard for PS2
$17.38 $16.03 list($19.99)
15. Logitech Dual Action Game Pad
$72.19 list($99.99)
16. Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner
$22.69 list($39.99)
17. Logitech WingMan Formula GP Racing
$20.89 $17.12 list($29.99)
18. Thrustmaster FireStorm Dual Power
$43.69 list($59.99)
19. Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner
$23.74 $19.02 list($29.99)
20. Saitek P2500 Rumble Force PC Game

1. CH Products Flight Sim Yoke USB
by CH PRODUCTS
list price: $149.00
our price: $94.99
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Asin: B000056SPM
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: CH PRODUCTS
Sales Rank: 228
Average Customer Review: 4.5 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Command the skies with the king of flight simulator controls, the Flight Sim Yoke USB. This one of a kind yoke offers features that will allow you to fly with the realism you've come to expect from CH Products. The Flight Sim Yoke USB provides 5 axes of control including, pitch, roll, throttle lever, propeller lever, and mixture lever. It also features 20 button functions, including 2-way gear switch, 2-way flaps switch, 8-way hat switch, two 2-way rocker switches, and 4 push buttons. Pilots around the world applaud the comfortably placed prop, throttle and mixture levers. It's the closest thing you'll get to sitting in your own cockpit. ... Read more

Features

  • Compatible with Windows 98, 2000, XP, Me, iMac, or Mac (with USB port)
  • Designed for use with flight simulator games
  • 5 axis of control including, pitch, roll, throttle lever, propeller lever, and mixture lever
  • 20 button functions including, 2-way gear switch, 2-way flaps switch, 8-way hat switch, two 2-way rocker switches, and 4 push buttons
  • 7 foot cable: easy setup

Reviews (13)

5-0 out of 5 stars Great Training Tool
I recently bought the flight sim yoke and rudder pedals from CH Products. I was a bit hesitant because you really never know what you are gonna get online. However, the customer reviews tipped the scale and I decided to buy. The ship time was excellent and I received the items in a timely fashion. I use the yoke and pedals with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 and I LOVE IT! It was very frustrating flying with the keyboard buttons and not realistic flying with a fighter type joystick. The yoke and pedals simulate the flying conditions well and make the simulator very addicting. I am using this simulator to supplement my real flight training. Although not exact, it really helps reinforce previous lessons and allows me to fine tune my skills for free. I have noticed, as well as my instructor, my quick learning curve. GREAT PRODUCT!!! I Highly Recommend It!!!

4-0 out of 5 stars Great but...
I really like this product. As a licensed pilot, this item gives a more realistic civilian PC flying experience then any joystick can. And for the price, it can't be beat. Sure, there are other yokes costing A LOT more, but unless you want to build a PC simulator you can log real time in, why bother?

My reason for 4 instead of 5 stars? The clamps are awful. They are designed only to fit really thick, flat desks. If your computer desk has a curved front, it's really difficult to get this to stay put.

The feel of the yoke is a little too plasticky. I would like to see slightly smaller yoke with a closer material feel to a real yoke.


This item is a MUST have for anyone who takes their civilian flight simulators ( Micrsoft flight sim, X-plane,Fly!) seriously. It's so much more enjoyable and realistic then using a joystick. Unless you have Airbus simulator add-ons!

5-0 out of 5 stars The Best Yoke Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was amazed how well this product worked! It's definaly is a part of the aviation family. So are all the other ch products. I love the throtle control. Before I bought this, I used a keyboard and believe me there's a really big differance!
The nice thing about this yoke, is that there really isn't confusion in remembering the buttons, and switches. The hardest thing to remember is which switch is the flaps and wich switch is the landing gear. The trick to remembering is that the landing gear is on the left because landing starts with L and so does left.
I hope you'll buy this yoke and some of the other ch products!!!

4-0 out of 5 stars Good for the money
Good yoke for the price

I got this yoke a month ago and I love it.

It is the only simulator yoke that will simulate the realism of a an aircraft's yoke for this price. The functions of the three levers for mixture, throttle and prop. pitch are great to have and the two switches on the main body for the flaps and landing gear (if you configure them like that) are also really nice.

The negative points on this yoke are:
First, the really really really sensitive and hard to move trim wheel,
Second,the non smooth and full of friction yoke,
Third, the inability of the yoke to return to a single neutral position. It just stops wherever it wants.

Having said that, in order to get anything else with the features of this yoke would have cost you much much more.

I am currently flying a piper Cherokee and its counterpart piper warrior in the FS2004 simulator (in which the yoke intergrades seamlessly) and I find the whole thing really helpful.

Its not perfect but its really good for the money.
I have to say though that only a little extra effort from this company would have made this yoke much better.

5-0 out of 5 stars Great Yoke
This Yoke is gr8. The clamps are very good, and the realism acquired in flight simulator with this thing is incredible. The price is very low, BUY IT ... Read more


2. Diamondback Game Mouse Plasma
by Razor USA, LLC

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Asin: B0009BB644
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Razor USA, LLC
Sales Rank: 2734
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Product Description

This item is brand new and comes complete with all manufacturer supplied accessories.
It also comes with a USA warranty.

Nice electronics is your source for everyday low prices on theRazor USA RZ-1600P - RZ-1600P - Diamondback Game Mouse Plasma and all other Razor USA Mice Optical

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3. Logitech Cordless Rumblepad 2 Vibration Feedback Gamepad
by Logitech
list price: $39.99
our price: $29.44
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Asin: B0002XJBGE
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Logitech
Sales Rank: 572
Average Customer Review: 4.5 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Experience freedom and eliminate clutter with the Logitech Cordless Rumblepad 2. Features 2.4 GHz of cordless performance with a 30-foot range; high-speed data transfer for precise control with no lag; dual vibration feedback motors allows you to feel all the hits, crashes, and explosions; 10 programmable action buttons plus mode and vibration selectors and 8-way D-pad; two analog sticks with smooth 360° control; and 100 hours of battery life. System requirements: Windows 98 and Mac OS and above. Imported. 3-1/2Wx8Lx8-1/2H". ... Read more

Features

  • 2.4 GHz Cordless Performance with 30-foot Range
  • 100 hours of battery life
  • Dual vibration feedback motors
  • Familiar button layout
  • Analog control

Reviews (7)

5-0 out of 5 stars These are truly the best gamepads for the PC, >EVER<

I was very skeptical about these at first. They looked cheap and I was not sure how long it was going to last. Let me tell you, they are great!

I purchased two of them to play the new Lego Star Wars with my son and I am utterly blown-away as to how much more relaxed we are when we play. No more cords!!!! Its been over 9+ weeks of use at nearly every day and neither sets of batteries has died yet, and thats using the cheap-O's included with the pads!

I did get hung-up trying to configure them at first. PLease understand that their software works great and you need it for the rumble effect, *HOWEVER* the software was designed with the assumption that you only have ONE gamepad. It is next to impossible to configure two gamepads using their software. I finally figured it out by uninstalling their software and simply letting Windows XP discover the devices and going to the game(s) and configuring the pads there. Most games allow you to do this by simply changing the keyboard layout from a certain set of keys to whatever you input. So if a game is set to use "W" as its up key, simply press enter and the game waits for you to press any key that will represent the new layout. So go to your gamepad and press the UP stick. Windows will auto-populate the field with the proper settings. Very nice!

I highly recommend this device. Its VERY durable and cleans well (sticky fingers) not to mention it is GREAT to play a two player game from over 10 feet away in bean-bags as opposed to stiff chairs bound by cords! Buy this product now!

5-0 out of 5 stars Console gamers... Go PC!
This controller makes it just like Playstation.The buttons can be worked exactly the same.Dual joysticks.Rumble feature.No cords.It's awesome - seriously.

5-0 out of 5 stars Best gamepad around
I'm not generally a fan of wireless controller, for one simple reason.I don't need the wireless feature, and I'd prefer to not think about batteries.However, I was not about to pass up the $20 after rebates price on this pad.

This button arrangement of this pad perfectly fits Madden 2005, enhancing gameplay immensely over other pads that may require you to remember what button correspond to what in the manual. (Madden 2005 allows you to configure your gamepad, but the configuration does not work for all phases of the game, e.g., the snap, and the receivers may be labelled differently than set up in Madden 2005's button configuration utility.)

True, the gamepad lacks Force-Feedback in Madden 2005 - so does every other game controller.MADDEN 2005 PC DOES NOT SUPPORT FORCE-FEEDBACK FOR ANY GAMEPAD, PERIOD.That's EASport's fault, not Logitech's.

For the person with the calibration problems after replacing batteries, try unplugging the receiver unit from the USB port and plugging it back in.

If you want to play Madden 2005, and have no intention of playing games with Force-Feedback, but by the non-Forceback version of this gamepad, unless you get a deal.Similarly, unless you get a deal on this gamepad, or you really want or need wireless, get the wired version of this gamepad.

5-0 out of 5 stars Cordless freedom!!!... Outstanding
I had this unit for about a month, used it to play Half Life, and Need for Speed 2 Underground. Outstanding performance in both cases. I'm running a dell p4 2.GHz 512mb WinXP Pro SP2. Easy installation, no problems of any kind so far. The original batteries are still going strong. Hope this review is helpful.

5-0 out of 5 stars Can't believe it doesn't have a cord
Although this is a new purchase, and I've only used it for just over a month, it is the single best game controller I've had for my PC. I have several other Logitech devices in use on the 2 PC's in my home, and both have been performing flawlessly for over 2 years. This game controller was a stretch for me, I've never had much faith in cordless hardware. This unit may as well have a cord attached to it, it responds better than the Gravis controllers I've had (5), and the action on the joysticks is profoundly accurate. Durability is still in question, since I've only put 30 hours on this unit. My PC is a Dell Dimension 8200, running XP Home edition with service pack 2 already installed (CD version, minimal install). The games I play are Mechwarrior 4 and expansions, NASCAR games. The driving games have been hard to get used to, the controller responds so quickly that I'm not used to that amount of precision. For the price you pay, you can't go wrong. Especially if you're familiar with the Sony Playstation controller.
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4. Logitech MOMO Force Feedback Racing Wheel
by Logitech
list price: $99.95
our price: $75.99
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Asin: B00006HYLN
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Logitech
Sales Rank: 6403
Average Customer Review: 3.5 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Drive like the pros! MOMO is a world-famous designer of racecar steering wheels and accessories so this MOMO gaming wheel is sure to thrill. Ultra-realistic steering wheel uses force feedback technology to let you feel the road, bumps, walls and spills. Easy-grip rubber wheel has 240° rotation. Sequential stick shifter can be mounted on right or left to suit your style and a carpet grip system keeps pedals firmly in place. Other features include optical sensing for steering control, 6 programmable buttons and paddle shifters. System requirements: Windows 98/2000/Me/XP. Comes with pedals, set up guide, power supply and software. Imported. ... Read more

Features

  • 1-year warranty
  • Exclusive design by MOMO, one of the world's leading designers of automotive accessories for the track and the street
  • Feel everything with ultra-realistic force feedback effects
  • Race like a pro with a full rubber wheel, sequential stick shifter and realistic gas and brake pedals
  • Get all the control you need with six programmable buttons, two paddle shifters, and 240 degrees of rotation

Reviews (16)

4-0 out of 5 stars Pretty Darn Good Wheel for the Price
Unless you're a professional racecar driver looking to recreate your real world experience this wheel should satisfy you.Yes it would be nice if it were made of leather and steel, but if that's the level of realism you want I don't see how you'll ever be satisfied unless you complete the effect with a steel chassis around your computer and an open can of gas nearby for the authentic road smell.Seriously, it's nice and solid, with the nice tacky feel of good quality rubber.The wheel does producea light grinding sound from the gears, but unless you're extremely neurotic you won't notice it above the roar of the engines.I've only had mine for a few days so I'll report back on the long-term quality in a few months, though it seems right solid, I suppose it's possible that a hyperactive kid who didn't pay for it himself could abuse it to the point of failure in a few months.My biggest disappointment so far has been that the force feedback doesn't rattle and shake as much as I thought it would, then again this could be due to the game I'm using it with, Toca Race Driver 2.If you're serious about your driving games you need a wheel and pedals, absolutely, and this is a solid choice!If, on the other hand, you're serious about driving itself, just stick to the gas guzzler in the garage.Given the problem of global warming and pollution though, I say pass the sunblock and make mine digital!

5-0 out of 5 stars Excelllent product
Excellent product arrived today been using it all day long testing it with different games easy installalion love the leather on the wheel itself and picked up nascar sim racing 2005 to go with it awesome exsperience and a great product

3-0 out of 5 stars Cheap Imitation
Short version: This wheel is a cheap plastic imitation of its higher quality forbears.It works, but it doesn't give anywhere near the realistic driving experience the previous models gave.

Long version:

My friend bought the original, red Logitech Wingman Formula Force (...) a couple years back.I borrowed it recently to play with NASCAR Racing 2003 and loved it.The experience was quite realistic.So I thought to get my own.

First I bought the standard Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP (...), because it didn't seem the MOMO version was much different (...), and I didn't want to bother with the rebate.I thought the cheaper price reflected savings in production efficiencies.The GP wheel was shockingly different, in a bad way.The original red Wingman Formula Force has some kind of ball bearing, spring and damper system that lets the wheel turn freely, but give varying amounts of force feedback depending on the game.The original red wheel lets you feel when the wheel gets "loose", and you're about to lose traction.The new, cheaper GP version has a horrible plastic, notchy feeling, as one other review commented - as you turn the wheel it grinds.Turning seems to be a matter of grinding each gear tooth which corresponds to a bit in the control axis.The GP is not at all like a real steering wheel, when the original red wheel was a passable facsimile.The force feedback on the GP is a joke.It's like seeing a downsampled, low resolution, 8-bit version of what used to be a high resolution, 24-bit image.

So I returned the standard, cheaper (...) GP wheel to Amazon and bought this MOMO wheel hoping that the extra dough gets you that special "real" feeling.Unfortunately, the MOMO still fails.This (...) MOMO version is better than the standard GP version, but there's still a plastic notchy gear feeling to the wheel.The notches are finer, and the force feedback effects have a higher sample rate, but it's still the same fundamental cheap plastic gear feeling.

It seems that the wheel I actually wanted was the ORIGINAL, now discontinued, Logitech MOMO Force wheel with the authentic leather, steel pedals and whatnot.It probably wasn't cheap, but you get what you pay for.About.com reviewed the original MOMO wheel and commented: "One of the best features of this force feedback wheel is that there is no "notchy-ness" in the steering wheel. In other force feedback wheels you could feel the gears in the wheel which would prevent you from making smooth adjustments. This wheel solves that problem, it's very smooth."
(...)
I wish I had read that review before I bought this new, plastic version.It's surprising though that nobody had commented in a comparative review about how the steering feel has been compromised.About.com wrote: "The Logitech Momo Racing (black) wheel is a revamped version their legendary Momo Force (red) wheel. They replaced some of the expensive metal parts with plastic and even made some improvements along the way such as increasing the pedal throw and adding a manual stick shifter. The result is a wheel that is even better than the original."(...)

I beg to differ.Maybe the About.com reviewer got a different version of the MOMO wheel, because I'm surprised he didn't comment on the lack of ball-bearing feel to the new wheel.This plastic, notchy feeling to the steering in both the current GP and MOMO versions destroys the suspension of disbelief.The few reviews that said anything about the plasticky-ness, expressing disappointment, were given poor feedback.Why?Do people only want to read glowing reviews of products, regardless of the accuracy of the review?

The only thing positive to say about the newer wheels versus the original red wheel is that the pedals are bottom hinged, and easier to modulate.The new wheels are also cheaper in price.But as I've explained, the new plastic wheels are also cheaper in the quality of experience they provide.You get what you pay for.

4-0 out of 5 stars Great wheel, minor issues
The wheel's FF and feel and overall quality are very good. It is extremely useful to have the option of paddle or stick shifter.I use my paddles to shift and the pull back on the shifter as the handbrake and push forward is clutch.I have also had the stick as shift and paddles as clutch and ebrake.Pedals and wheel are both very precise.

Of course, as with most people, I am having occasional trouble with the pedals.Mainly the brake 'sticking' on. This started after about 6months of heavy use and now at a year hasn't gotten much worse.Usually unplugging the pedals from the wheel and plugging it back in will fix the problem.We'll see if that will keep working.

2-0 out of 5 stars AGAIN its BROKEN
this is the second time i will have had to have my wheel replaced in 6 months
first it was the left paddle shift & now it will not center correctly......
the build of this wheel is SHOCKING
Logitech do you build anything with quality anymore...
+ it took me 6 weeks to get a replacement last time
by the time you replace this one my warranty will almost be up & i will be asking for a fresh warranty to cover my wheel.
i just do not trust it will last out a year.... ... Read more


5. Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar Flight Control System
by Guillemot
list price: $299.99
our price: $245.09
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Asin: B000062SSB
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Guillemot
Sales Rank: 2617
Average Customer Review: 3.5 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Far Beyond Reality

The most realistic flight simulation controller is here.

The HOTAS™ Cougarlife like in design, life like in performance - this is truely Hands On Throttle And Stick. Based on the actual controller found in the F-16 fighter aircraft, the HOTAS transports you to the furthest reaches of FlightSim technology.

From the second you grab hold of both the stick and throttle, you notice the difference. All metal, black, and deadlythis is the HOTAS. This controller offers you up to 28 programmable buttons, multiple programmable hat switches, and adjustable resistance for the throttle, afterburner, and idle detent, These are just a few of the many features of this revolutionary stick and throttle combo. Without question, the HOTAS Cougar is the controller for true flight enthusiasts.

  • Replica US. Air Force F-16 block 52 controller (Stick and Throttle)
  • Full metal casing including base, handle, and buttons
  • 28 programmable buttons
  • Multiple programmable hat switches
  • 5 to 10 axes
  • Adjustable resistance for throttle, afterburner, and idle detent
  • Long travel coolie hat
  • 18 pound springs for solid resistance
  • Easy to use Foxy programming software with pre-programmed functions
  • Full speed USB connection delivering responses 8x faster than classical USB plugs
  • 16k of internal memory for quick access to programming files
  • Flash upgradeable hardware to ensure long term compatibility
  • High definition digital axes for gaming graphics at high resolutions
  • Compatible with standard analog rudder pedals
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Features

  • Full speed USB connection delivering responses 8x faster than classical USB plugs -16k of internal memory for quick access to programming files.
  • Replica US. Air Force F-16 block 52 controller (Stick and Throttle) - Full metal casing including base, handle, and buttons -28 programmable buttons - 5 to 10 axes - For PC
  • Adjustable resistance for throttle, afterburner, and idle detent - Easy to use Foxy programming software with pre-programmed functions -
  • The ultimate in flight sim control, Thrustmaster is renowned for it's flight sim gear. One outing with the HOTAS Cougar and you'll realize why.
  • This all-metal replica of an actual F-16 controller puts you in the cockpit and lets you take absolute control of your fighter's movements and actions. This stick and throttle goes far beyond reality.

Reviews (21)

1-0 out of 5 stars Immediate Bad POT
Feels great but I too have been burned with a bad POT. If this was a car it would be recalled immediately ! Too bad they did not go to extreme measures to ensure a quality product. Looks feels great. Currently just a nice looking conversation piece.

Still waiting on my replacement POT.........

1-0 out of 5 stars Works Great for a few months....then croaks!!!
This is truly an impressive joystick/throttle combination. I was overjoyed when I got this as a gift. It worked great for the first few months of use. Unfortunately, the system fell into disrepair, mainly because of poor quality pots. This is a common problem with these units. After spending an entire day taking apart the throttle and cleaning the pots with jewelers glases, reinstalling the firmware and finally giving up, I am looking for a replacement. It REALLY BUGS ME to see what was spent on this item and see how shabbily it was constructed. LET THE BUYER BEWARE !!!

1-0 out of 5 stars Hardware problems ruin Hotas Cougar.
I always loved Thrustmaster products but the Hotas Cougar is a dud. Far too many of the units have hardware problems. Mine has a problem that every few minutes causes the computer to think that it is not attached to the computer. It loses calibration when it does this. After a lot of effort I got the company to accept a return on it, but they sent it back saying it was fine. I have bought the CH products controllers and have had absolutely no problems. They are the way to go.

5-0 out of 5 stars TM Cougars:For Hard-Core FltSimmers and tech gurus
Personal Testimony:
Well, Ive been into flightsimming since 1985. Ive owned every one of Thrustmaster's flight controllers since the: FCS/WCS, FLCS/TQS, FLCS-Pro/TQS, FLCS-Pro/TQS w/Dig Upgrade Chips, and now the Cougar FLCS and TQS controller set. All of these still exist are in working order in my "collection bin", except that Im using the Cougars presently.

I have not needed to fix the Cougars and Ive had them for about 2+ years now. With proper care (dust covers and keeping the dust off them), not beating on the stick & throttlem or hamfisting the little switches when using, proper electrical care when plugging them (they do contain electro-static sensitive EEPROM chip); they will last a long long time. These are not plastic like all the previous TM controllers, but rather are metal. Being in a Falcon4 flight sim squadron, I put in about 5-10 hours a week using the Cougars. So my Cougars have been used for at least 1000 hours and dont have a scratch or exhibit any spiking or other symptoms.

Reliability:
While it is true that many have bad pots and switches either from the day they were recieved or after 100s and 1000s of hours of use, the vast majority do not experience this kind of mechanical failure. TM will send you the parts for free if you write/email/call them. Yes, it did take about 4 months for me to get backup parts (I didnt need them yet). And yes, there are HALL Effect (electro-magnetic parts) to replace the moving pots (potentiometers) which make the controllers even more long lasting. This would be for those with the money and is very worth the investment if youre logging 100s of hours in your favorite flight sim.

Complexity:
Cougars are not for the techically challenged or timid flight simmer. You will have to know how to program in the TM button command file language (or just slightly modify the existing ones to meet your needs), know how to hook up your flight controllers to work with the Cougars, understand Windows controller utility, use the TM Command and Control setup software, use the FOXY stick file editor and Cougar maintenance software (which is super), understand flight controls as they relate to the aircraft you are simulating an how that maps to the stick buttons and axes, understand the complex flight sim (for hard core simmers that would be: Falcon4, LockOn, MS-FS, IL2 and others).

Support:
Thrustmaster controllers, and COUGARs in particular have a super user community of technologically adept users that are there to help world wide due to the web forums. (...).
With almost a 100 Falcon4 and LockOn online flight squadrons, which you can find with any inet search engine, there are lots of opportunities to get help and join a online flight squadron. The software and bios (flash micro code) is a free download, as are many user controller files. The negative side is that this is a French and Canadian business (Guillemot) that took over the American owned Thrustmaster company, so there are delays in getting parts and finding new units. One often has to find them on Amazon or Ebay (and I dont advise buying used ones as you may be buying a damaged set).

Value:
Or bang-for-the-buck? One movie date with condiments will cost you near $50 for about 2 hours of fun, or $25/hr. You will get 100s-1000s of hours with TM Cougars. Thats $300/100 or about $3/hour if you only fly 100 hours total (which is not very hard core flight simmer). Thats just the quantitative value. For the qualitative value you have the realism, full functionality and "feel". Realism wise, I own a real FLCS and TQS from a F16-A fighter jet. When you put the Cougars next to the real set, they are almost identical in form and function. In fact, the functionality of the Cougars are user definable due to their programmability - where as the real ones have set functions. Just put the Cougars in your hands, and you will feel the solid construction and will have as close as you can come to the real things in the palm of your hands.

Realism:
See for yourself, compare these real HOTAS from a F16-A with the picture of the COUGARs which emulate those found in a F16-C:
(...)
In closing, the TM Cougars have a steep learning curve and require care, patience, perserverance, technical skills and some serious bucks. They are clearly for the high end or "hard core" flight simmer. The CH Products Pedal Pro (gameport or USB) work well with the Cougars. If you want force feed back, I recommend that you instead get a MS Sidewinder Pro2 USB which is a stick, throttle and rudder with FFB all in one with limited user function programmability. Other sticks and throttles Ive tried like: Saitek and Ch Prod have their place, but must bow to the king of controllers: the TM Cougars.

Fair skies and check six,
AV8R

2-0 out of 5 stars Badly disappointed
At a cost of $269 this was touted as "the last joystick (HOTAS) you'll ever buy." Wrong!! In less than 2 months, the potentiometers (pots) started giving out and caused a lot of stick spike in Aces High. Thrustmaster pointed me to Amazon and Amazon pointed me to Thrustmaster. I pointed to a hole in my wallet and a stick that was barely usable. This seems to be a well known problem and new pots can be had for another hundred bucks. I sold mine as is, took a $100 hit and bought CH USB stick, throttle and peds. It will be a cold day in hell before I spent another nickel with Thrustmaster. ... Read more


6. Belkin Nostromo Speedpad n52 ( F8GFPC100 )
by Belkin
list price: $49.99
our price: $26.59
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Asin: B0000DC643
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Belkin
Sales Rank: 733
Average Customer Review: 4.5 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Built to conquer your enemy, the Nostromo SpeedPad n52 captures all the advantages of its critically acclaimed predecessor, the n50, and cranks up the juice with advanced options to dominate your game. It puts keyboard and gamepad functionality into one small and easy-to-use device, delivering more tools for customizing your game than ever. Using feedback from hundreds of gamers, our engineers designed the n52's intuitive nature and stylish versatility to give you easy access to your arsenal of deadly maneuvers. So start programming up to 104 functions now-and watch how dangerous you become. ... Read more

Features

  • More tools for customizing your game than ever
  • Designed with an intuitive nature and stylish versatility
  • Captures all the advantages of the critically acclaimed n50
  • Cranks up the juice with advanced options to dominate your game
  • Combines keyboard and gamepad into one small, easy-to-use device

Reviews (22)

3-0 out of 5 stars mac users beware, if not gaming
the best aspect of this controller is being able to program macros, i.e. making one key trigger multiple events. I refer specifically to using it for non-game applications, e.g. music software, web software, etc. the windoz version allows recording of events but the mac version doesn't provide recording of a series of events but you must plug them in one by one. very 1990's. oh well. glad I did a buy-return.

5-0 out of 5 stars not just for gamers
I picked up my n52 recently because I was looking for an accessory that would help me use my computer more efficiently.I have to say that I am terribly pleased with the ease of use, construction, and durability of this tool.

I like the stiffness of the action of the keys, and although I have a fairly small hand, I have no trouble reaching any of the keys.The mouse wheel probably should not have been contracted out to the lower bidder, but It is not the worst I have ever used.

Within ten minutes of loading the software, I was typing away with perfect ease, and I spent the first evening developing a pattern of key assignments that would let me flit between at least three different programs with ease and perform program specific tasks with minimal key-strokes in each program.

The hand rest is brilliant and feels like an arch support for my hand.

I would reccomend this tool for anyone who works with computer aided design or another field that involves complex imput.

5-0 out of 5 stars BUY IT
K.I.S.S, Both the review and the product. It is easy and effective in usage and setup, works like a dream. I've been considering buying the z board from ideazon, but then I think "why" the n52 is all I need. They got it right this time. Buy it. Oh, I also love Falcon Northwest Computers but they warned me away from this because past products have been shoddy. This is Now, not Then, and this is a great gaming device. Period. ... P.S. I,ve been pc gaming since I was 10, I started with an Atari 400 with a tape (as in tape recorder) drive as its primary input device, WOW Loads could be 1/2 an hour. I've seen a lot of products come and go, and I love this one. guess it shows.

5-0 out of 5 stars N52 a must for FPS and others
By far the best imput device for gaming i have yet to see...ordered it with free shippin for 26$ and received it in 7 days.
Had a little hitch installing the N52 ended up having to install the drivers manually for theloadout manager to see the N52 after that it was a snap creating and editing profiles is very easy.
Still goin to take some time to get used to it,but feels great and every time i use it i feel it becoming part of my hand:)Being able to move it to your lap is a big plus..highly recomended

5-0 out of 5 stars Good for ALL gaming
I read the review above and I have to agree with them, this thing is awesome for gaming in general.I play primarily FPS, but also RTS.I have yet to find a game it isn't worth using in.They keys are a lot better lined up for your fingers than the keys on the keyboard, and with the "shift" capabilites you can have each button do multiple things.I have been a user of the speedpad since the original n50.I love that I can create macro's that will do things I can't do in the game, like the dodge move in original UT.

I also found that since my hands are always in the same place, I can create a template to use and apply that to each new game without having to remember what the keyboard key is for that action.(ex. button 5 is always forward, regardless of the game.)

Just be sure to follow the install instructions as it can get tricky and not work if you don't. ... Read more


7. Logitech Rumblepad 2 Vibration Feedback Gamepad
by Logitech
list price: $29.99
our price: $24.69
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Asin: B0002XJBG4
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Logitech
Sales Rank: 1256
Average Customer Review: 4.0 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Still using a standard gamepad? Then you're missing out on a whole extra dimension in gaming: vibration feedback. Grab the Logitech&reg; Rumblepad™ 2 Vibration Feedback Gamepad and feel what you've been missing. It uses not one but two vibration feedback motors, weighted differently and spinning independently, to let you experience every turn, bump, dip, and crash. And it feels great in your hands with its familiar button layout and all the controls you need to dominate.

  • Dual vibration feedback motors : Feel all the hits, crashes, explosions, and many more effects .
  • Rubber grips : Specially textured rubber gives you a solid grip
  • Familiar button layout : 10 programmable action buttons, plus Mode and Vibration selectors and 8-way D-pad
  • Analog control : Two analog sticks give you a performance edge with smooth 360-degree control
  • Software included : Customize buttons, download game profiles, assign shift-button, and more
  • Quality construction : As if you'd expect anything else from Logitech
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Features

  • Compatible with Windows 98, 2000, Me, or XP; Mac OS 9 or Mac OS 10.x or higher
  • Dual vibration feedback motors
  • Specially textured rubber gives you a solid grip
  • 10 programmable action buttons, plus Mode and Vibration selectors and 8-way D-pad
  • Two analog sticks give you a performance edge with smooth 360-degree control

Reviews (12)

4-0 out of 5 stars Better than their Dual Action
This controller is better than Logitech's Dual Action USB, even if you ignore the added vibration feature.The area under the four main buttons has been hollowed out, making it easier to hit them, and all the buttons have a slightly higher-quality feel.

The biggest improvement is in the D-Pad.The D-Pad of the dual action is terrible, which makes it unusable for many types of games.For example, it is impossible to reliably use even simple fighting game moves such as SubZero's freeze or Ken/Ryu's fireball.The Rumblepad's D-pad, however, is much improved, plus it has a useful button that swaps the D-Pad and the left analog stick in case your game doesn't recognize the D-Pad (some don't).The D-Pad feels a little strange, and it doesn't quite reach the quality of the D-Pads on Nintendo or Sony products, but it does the job.

I have this pad, a Logitech Dual Action, and a Saitek P880, and I recommend this pad as the best of the three (unless you need six thumb buttons or a shift button, in which case Saitek is still a good choice, with or without vibration).

5-0 out of 5 stars Good
This is really good gamepad. It feels really comfortable in your hands and it fits nicely. The only problem with it is that the rumble feature does not work with all games. Overall, this is a really good controller.

1-0 out of 5 stars Mac users beware
This device is not fully functional for Macs.The gamepad does weird things with some games and is difficult to calibrate.Most importantly the VIBRATION DOES NOT WORK FOR MACS.

2-0 out of 5 stars Whats going on?
O.K. the box says it works with the 05 EA sports games but theres no rumble if any one can help please send an e-mail thanx.

5-0 out of 5 stars great gamepad
This is my first ever gamepad for a PC and it sure beats using the keyboard (for gaming). This USB controller is the best on the market for PC gaming. It's very simliar to the PS2 controller. Fits very comfortably in my hands. Logitech did a fantastic job w/ it's ergonomics. Personally, I wish they would've added some color to it by using transparent "jewel" buttons instead of the black. Maybe even make the whole thing transparent (like some PS2/XBOX controllers). It has a steel blueish metallic finish. Great price point, I got mine for 23 & change. WIN98,2000,Me, & XP, Mac OS X (v10.2.3+).... no "rumble" feature w/ macs
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8. Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joystick
by Logitech
list price: $34.99
our price: $24.69
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Asin: B00009OY9U
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Logitech
Sales Rank: 2362
Average Customer Review: 2.5 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Extreme 3D Pro Twist-Handle Joystick ... Read more

Features

  • Stable, weighted Base Keeps joystick from moving around for enhanced control
  • Quick and easy access to fire weapons
  • Twist Handle Provides rudder control, direction control, and view changes.
  • Rapid-Fire Trigger Fires shots in quick succession.
  • 8-Way rubberized Hat Switch Select from 8 points of view.

Reviews (34)

2-0 out of 5 stars I am returning mine to Amazon Today!
I read reviews about this joystick both good and bad and still went ahead, took a chance and ended up wasting my money on it.On the first day use, it had lost it's calibration to the right as others have already mentioned before. I found a quick fix to get back calibration was in mid-game, to quickly remove and reinsert the USB plug and it would be good for about 10 more minutes before the right lean would go again.What a hassle. I am returning mine today to Amazon, then I am going to purhcase a Saitek Cyborg EVO Jpoystick.They have to be better....but I guess I will see.Too bad Microsoft isn't making Sidewinders anymore, this controller replaced a great Sidewinder Precision 2 that the hat switch went bad on after many years of use.Such a shame for an otherwise great controller.The stable, heavier base is nice not having to worry about the thing moving around on my desk.The button layout on stick for a right hander felt good.

3-0 out of 5 stars Pretty good joystick but there are a couple problems
This joystick is pretty good overall. It has a large base so it stays stable on your desk. It's well constructed. I haven't had any calibration issues like other people have. But you can't program mouse functions to button commands. It also has a very strong spring which wears my arm out very quickly. Overall I recommend this joystick. If you want a basic joystick. Personally I'm going to get on that has a seperate throttle and more buttons.

5-0 out of 5 stars Mac user's perspective
I've only used this joystick on a Mac, so I can't comment on the quality of the drivers and software for Windows. Here are my impressions from using it:

* Installation was cake. I plugged it in to the USB hub on my keyboard, and that's it. No drivers to install, no need to even bother with the included CD.
* Throttle control is very smooth and precise.
* Pitch, roll, and yaw (rudder) are also very smooth with great feel. This is not a sloppy flight stick in any way.
* All the buttons are well-positioned, assuming you are right-handed. The buttons on the base are extremely handy in a flight sim, for setting things like rudder trim, or for toggling various features on your aircraft.

I got this stick primarily for use with the X-Plane flight simulator, and it works extremely well. The base is very stable when used on a desk or lap, and the joystick as a whole has a solid, smooth feel. If you don't need or want force feedback, this is an outstanding joystick at a good price.

1-0 out of 5 stars Do not buy if you plan to map the buttons.
This joystick feels nice in the hand, but it has serious flaws. Every time I spent about 10 minutes mapping the buttons to a game, the joystick would lose this information about 30 seconds into the game. I then went to the Logitech website, installed the latest drivers, and downloaded their pre-configured game maps. I still got the same errors. It had this mistake on over 5 games, both old and new. I even tried it on 2 different computers with no luck.

It's a shame it has this fatal flaw because otherwise it was very decent for a cheap joystick. When I asked for help from Logitech, they kept telling me to "download the latest drivers" over and over, which I had already done.

I must give it 1 star because I used it primarily for flight/space sims. It just can't give any functionality in that role.

3-0 out of 5 stars Decent, but has calibration issues as listed
I only paid like $14 for this thing on eBay, so I'm not out as much $$ as if I had bought it retail. I experienced the same problems everyone else here has experienced. For me, the twist was centering at about 35% to the left, so flying a chopper in BF Vietnam was quite interesting! If I tried to circle around to the right, it would take a LONG time, but if I circled left, it would work normally.

I went to Logitech's web-site and downloaded the calibration clearing utility. When I ran it, I got a weird error message and it didn't work. The tech support there was a bit lacking.

After reading some reviews, I realized that the entries for the Logitech controllers needed to be deleted out of the registry. If you know how to uninstall an application from Add/Remove programs, and know how to run regedit from the Run command, you can take care of this issue and you'll have a working joystick that'll probably last another month or two. Make sure to delete the entries for this joystick in HKLM and HKCU. It's pretty simple, but an unnecessary PITA.

I like the joystick, just wish it wouldn't lose calibration. My next joystick will be fully digital. ... Read more


9. Logitech Wingman Force 3D
by Logitech
list price: $49.99
our price: $37.80
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Asin: B00004VUFH
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Logitech
Sales Rank: 1892
Average Customer Review: 3.5 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

With its force feedback technology, Logitech WingMan Force 3D adds a new level of realism to most games, while its space-saving design helps reduce desktop clutter. The powerful new joystick features a lockable twist handle function for accurate rudder control, seven fully programmable buttons, an 8-way hat (POV) switch, and a smooth, high-precision throttle. When using the stick with the included Logitech WingMan software, players can double the number of programmable functions by using the shift button option, create and save customized button functions for their favorite games, print out profiles for a quick reference and even download new game profiles from the Internet.

The WingMan Force 3D joystick is easy to set up and use. Its USB interface provides plug-and-play performance with the Microsoft Windows 98 and Windows 2000 operating systems. With TouchSense technology licensed from Immersion Corporation, force feedback is available in all PC games written to support standard force feedback for joysticks. The WingMan Force 3D joystick comes bundled with Castrol Honda SuperBike World Champions by Midas Interactive Entertainment. This exciting motorcycle racing game provides the thrills of high-speed competition with excellent gameplay and very engaging force feedback.

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Features

  • USB plug-and-play connection
  • 7 programmable buttons
  • 8-way hat switch
  • Rapid-fire trigger
  • Stable, weighted base

Reviews (53)

1-0 out of 5 stars Awful ! Worked for one hour.
I had to return this one the same day I got it. The centering was horrible. I couldn't even taxi without veering to the sides, in MSFS 2004.

As someone else pointed out, I guess all Logitech joysticks have a nagging problem, which crops up sooner or later.

Sidewinder is the best I've used so far.

2-0 out of 5 stars Ok for beginners, but get the sidewinder if you're serious.
I recieved this joystick as a gift.I have more gripes about this joystick than anything else.The button layout seems like it's made for basketball players.The centering is awful, out of the box this thing couldn't stay centered, even with the dead zone set and everything zeroed out.Now it seems like whatever the stick is attached to inside the case is loose.I can wiggle the stick around with absolutely no resistance.My roomate has the $185 sidewinder and it is much better, it feels solid with no looseness. $185/$35.If you can afford the Sidewinder, it's your only choice.I'm saving up for it as we speak.

5-0 out of 5 stars Force feedback is fun!
This joystick is definitely a lot of fun. I never had a force feedback joystick before, but I certainly will not go back to the plain variety after this. I got it mainly to play MS Flight Simulator, and it works great with that, although I had to modify the default button assignments to make it more logical layout wise. It is fairly easy to do. The design is ergonomical and looks good. The number of buttons is ok for most games. The accompanying Wingman software is of questionable value, but you do not have to run it to use the joystick in games, despite what Logitech's instructions say.

The feedback effects themselves are great. They are powerful enough, unless you want to play an armwrestling match with your joystick. It really does give another level of reality to the games. It was quite a shock to see the stick move on its own the first time when the instructor was flying the airplane in Flight Sim. The centering does have a different feel than simple mechanical joysticks, but it is pretty easy to get used to it. A fun toy!

5-0 out of 5 stars A very good product
This joystick is very good for pretty much all Flight Sims. It includes a trigger, for the Combat Flight Sims, and it has 5 other buttons. It also has a throttle, which is a standard for all joysticks. And is dosen't need installation software. Bottom line, an exelent product.
***NOTE: Do not unplug the USB cord from the jack unless the computer is OFF.***

4-0 out of 5 stars Best stick on the market, butthere's room for improvement.
Good stick overall. Button layout is excellent, especially the buttons around the hat - you can quickly hit them with the thumb. I love the force feedback and will never use a non-feedback stick. Stick feels comfortable in my hand. I have taken to placing the computer box under the table between my legs and taping the stick to the top of the box with masking tape. This holds it down and puts the stick about where it would be on a real plane (though this prevents me from using rudder pedals).

That said, the stick is not perfect. My gripes:

1) Durability/Quality: I am a hard on the stick and I go through two of these sticks a year. After about six months of sim-flying the stick develops what I call "rudder flutter", in which the rudder (which is activated by turning the stick) flickers to the left repeatedly. (I am right handed and tend to twist the stick counter-clockwise.) There is no strong yawing left of the airplane when this happens, but the rudder flapping in the virtual "breeze" sucks energy out of the plane. Now, my one computer game is Red Baron 3d, which is a World War I combat simulator. The planes are pretty realistic and, as such, they tend to be underpowered to begin with; the lost energy means that I don't have as much speed to do the various aerial maneuvers necessary to dogfighting. In conclusion, "rudder flutter" = death. Neither recalibration nor reprogramming nor reloading solves the problem; I just have to buy a new stick. I would gladly pay more for a sturdier product without the "rudder flutter" bug.

2) Buttons: the buttons are responsive, clicky and springy, and comfortably situated. The problem is, there aren't near enough of them. Visibility is crucial to combat sims, and the game I play requires a lot of "views". That means a lot of buttons, and a lot of buttons is something the Wingman doesn't have. Seven is more than none, but it's less than ten. And I need ten at least.

The Wingman 3D is a good stick, and since Microsoft stopped making the Sidewinder it's the best out there. But I'd like it more if it were sturdier and had more buttons, that's all. ... Read more


10. CH Products USB Combatstick 568 with 8-Way Switch & 34 Programmable Functions
by CH PRODUCTS
list price: $109.95
our price: $82.64
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Asin: B00006B84W
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: CH PRODUCTS
Sales Rank: 15112
Average Customer Review: 4.0 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

With the look and feel of a real F-16 "Falcon" jet stick, the F-16 CombatStick USB offers gamers excellent control with the right amount of buttons which are layed out perfectly on the handle. Link this USB F16 Combatstick with a USB Pro Throttle and a set of USB Pro Pedals and you will have a USB "hands on" game control setup. If you want the best, get CH Products. ... Read more

Features

  • Compatible with Windows 98, ME, 2000 & XP for PC and MacOS 8.6 with Input Sprockets 1.7x for Mac
  • Total of 34 programmable functions with the new Control Manager software
  • 3 axis and 18 buttons (six push buttons, one 4 way hat switch, and one 8 way point of view hat)
  • Dual rotary trim controls allow for precision adjustment of ailerons and elevators
  • Quality components and construction

Reviews (1)

4-0 out of 5 stars Very good, but some small drawbacks.
First off, this review is meant for PC users.Since CH Products is one of the few companies that supports Macs the only joystick better than this one would be their next step up, the Fighterstick.For a Mac I would give this 5 stars.Also, I will be reviewing the CH products Flightstick, Combatstick, and Fighterstick at the same time (using the Combatstick here as the base) since they are all pretty much the same except for the number of buttons.

The first and best thing about these sticks and their partner throttle is that they are based of the F-16's flight control system much like the old Thrustmaster systems from the early '90s.This gives them the double bonus of an added realism connection, which all flight simmers want, and a very good choice of buttons and layout.After all, the military used decades of research and experience to arrive at the optimum joystick design when they made the F-16 and almost all other modern fighters have a very similar joystick layout.

While the layout may look strange and even a bit cluttered at first glance, it turns out to be very easy to use once you get a hold of it.These joysticks are about 35% larger than the old Thrustmasters, this gives them enough room on the head for the extra 4 buttons hats to be used safely, but also means you will actually be using the side buttons as your secondary ones before the top groups.This takes a bit of getting used to since it's different than all the other joysticks out there, but since they are where you would naturally have your fingers on the joystick when at rest it doesn't take long.

I found the layout to be superior to all the recent Saiteks as a result of this attention.The Saitek joysticks of recent years, particularly the Cyborg line, have been designed with looks first, and then a little thought for function.As a result they have been very uncomfortable to use.

Another link these CH Products joysticks have with the Thrustmasters of old is that they use springs to hold the joystick in place and measure it's movements.There are both positive and negative results of this choice.The main negative is that the springs will wear out and break before the current digital measurement devices, exactly how much earlier remains to be seen as CH products is rather new in the game market.Given their solid reputation in the commercial sector I'd bet we will still get a hearty number of years out of them.A last and rather small second side effect is that the brand new joystick is that the brand new springs are rather stiff, and you will experience some resistance when crossing the axis' early on.I found this went away completely after 30 hours of use and wasn't much of a problem after the first 10.

On the plus side the springs mean that the joystick will snap back to center quickly and consistently, making calibration a breeze and programming in a dead zone a thing of the past.Most importantly, you get even more precise control than with the competitors.Not much considering how good they have gotten over the years, particularly the Logitechs, but it's still better.

Finally we get to the major differences between the 3 sticks offered by CH Products, the number of buttons and the price.

First, we will start with the "economy" Flightstick, if you can call a joystick with an $89.95 list price economy.However, a quick look at it's features prove that is its role since it only has a trigger, 3 secondary buttons, a standard HAT, and 2 trim wheels.Also, all the secondary buttons are on the head of the stick, which is a bit of a reach.However, since the buttons are rather large (the footprint was intended for a 4-button HAT) that problem is somewhat countered.On the upside, this it the only joystick in the line that isn't molded for a right-handed person.I'm betting most lefties have learned to fly right-handed by now since most are designed for right-handed people, but I imagine that's welcome news for some of you.

The next one up is this Combatstick, my personal favorite.With a list price only $20 more than the flightstick, and a less than $10 difference and Amazon.com's current prices, it's well worth the upgrade for an extra 6 buttons and another trim wheel.Also, the secondary buttons are moved off the head of the stick so they are much easier to get to in a hurry.This leaves the buttons on the head for tertiary controls.In fact, with my Il-2 setup I don't even use the 4 button hat.Admittedly I play on the lower end of it's realism scale.

If your one of those people who likes to run their games at the highest realism settings you will want the extra buttons of the Fighterstick, because of it's extra hats it has 4 more buttons.Even better it has a mode shift button, basically 'shift' for the joystick.This button toggles the functions off all the other buttons, with the normal hat counting as 8 more.Using this you end up with a whopping 24 programmable buttons.Tack that on to the Pro Throttle with it's HATs and buttons and their special software to add other levels to them and you can have more buttons than anyone should ever need.Assuming you aren't playing flying a bomber in Il-2 with full realism and refuse to use the keyboard.

In the end my only gripe about these products is their high cost, much more than I would normally pay for a joystick and the reason I docked them a star.However, I can understand why they are this high a price.Hardcore flight sim enthusiasts have proven time and time again that they will pay whatever is necessary to get the next best advantage in their field.The fact that they also have pretty much a monopoly on controls patterned off of the real thing and the Mac user field probably factors in as well.

Since I am a hardcore flight sim enthusiast, I still paid for them, and I was always able to give it a positive spin by reminding myself that I paid as much as the throttle and stick combined for my graphics card and I'll get to use these a lot longer.We just wont even mention the sound system. ... Read more


11. Saitek Cyborg Evo Joystick
by Saitek
list price: $49.99
our price: $37.99
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Asin: B0000AW9P1
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Saitek
Sales Rank: 7460
Average Customer Review: 3.5 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

A famous Joystick legacy continues with the 'evo' - the next stunning installment of Saitek's renowned Cyborg development, offering improved adjustability, refined control interfaces and new hard hitting styling

Adjustable Palm Rest and central level throttle for left- or right-handed gaming

4-direction Adjustment Screws - move stick head to find your optimum gaming position

Program your controller for each game using the powerful smart technology software

Features

  • 5 Thumb Buttons
  • Rapid-Fire Trigger
  • 8-way 'Point-of-view' Hat Switch
  • 3D-Twist for rudder control
  • Single Spring Gimbal Mechanism
  • Lever Throttle
  • 4 Base Buttons
  • 2 Shift Buttons
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Features

  • 5 Thumb Buttons
  • 8-way 'Point-of-view' Hat Switch
  • 3D-Twist rudder control and Rapid-Fire Trigger
  • Single Spring Gimbal Mechanism
  • 4 Base Buttons and 2 Shift Buttons

Reviews (11)

5-0 out of 5 stars Works great, couldn't be happier
I have had this joystick for a year now, and use it several times a week for playing BF1942 and MS Combat Flight Simulator.It's crisp and provides great control when flying all types of aircraft, the thumb button panel is adjustable in two axes for optimal positioning, and I love that the grip is good for both left-handed and right-handed people (I'm left-handed, and can't use most right-handed Microsoft products like their Joysticks and mice).

I liked it so much I bought a second one for my son who is started playing BF1942 recently with me.He thinks it works great and looks cool too, he really likes the light-up glowing buttons.All in all, I think it's a great joystick for a very reasonable price.

5-0 out of 5 stars Great stick
This is a great stick.A couple of my friends bought this stick at nearly the same time without each other knowing and we all love it.You really need to mount it to a fixed base tho to really lock in the controls so the stick doesn't move with you.The height adjustment is a nice touch as are the controls for the thumb buttons.I play a ton of BF1942 and this is a great stick for helicopters, I won't say its the best since I haven't tried many, but you won't go wrong with this one.

5-0 out of 5 stars Very pimp-tight joystick. Don't make me come ovah there b*tc
This stick iz really pimp-tight. I like it very much. It'sbomb in flight simulators an BF1942 but also otay in many other games. The many buttons an' ways ta configure it, gives it extra value fo' money. and sh*t.

2-0 out of 5 stars Calibrate? Again?
Okay, fade to the left is a pain.. But what's worse is that the twist axis is based on an odd number, so there isn't a centerpoint... after a twist in any direction, the calibration on this stick starts to go, then keeps going and going and going... Don't like saving a game to re-calibrate my stick. I am online now shopping for a replacement. Suggestions? Anyone?

5-0 out of 5 stars I'm in the Game Now!
Cyborg got me into the game!Great manueverability and a very responsive joystick.Much better feel to it than my old Microsoft joystick.Not only am I trimmed on X and Y axis - I'm lean and mean and can play hard.I used to get my butt kicked- now I'm really playing!Great stuff from Saitek! ... Read more


12. CH Products Flight Sim Yoke USB and IL-2 Sturmovik Software - Bundle
by CH PRODUCTS
list price: $189.90
our price: $115.89
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Asin: B00007JQLV
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: CH PRODUCTS
Sales Rank: 26678
Average Customer Review: 5.0 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Command the skies with the king of flight simulator controls, the Flight Sim Yoke USB. This one of a kind yoke offers features that will allow you to fly with the realism you've come to expect from CH Products. Pilots around the world applaud the comfortably placed prop, throttle and mixture levers. It's the closest thing you'll get to sitting in your own cockpit. The Flight Sim Yoke features 5 axes of control including pitch, roll, throttle, and two game-designated axes; a total of 20 button functions including one 8-way hat switch, two 2-way rocker switches, two 2-way flap switches, and 4 push buttons; bi-directional, adjustable lever control for maximum compatibility; pitch trim control; 7-foot cable; adjustable desk clamps. The Flight Sim Yoke is software programmable using standard Macintosh GUI. The Flight Sim Yoke is bundled with Ubi Soft Entertainments IL-2 Sturmovik (full version). This software features award-winning WWII Combat Simulation. ... Read more

Features

  • Fly WW II combat missions
  • New ergonomic designed yoke movement without a center detent allowing the ultimate in control
  • 5 axis of control including, pitch, roll, throttle lever, propeller lever, and mixture lever
  • 20 button functions including, 2-way gear switch, 2-way flaps switch, 8-way hat switch, two 2-way rocker switches, and 4 push buttons
  • Precision adjustment wheel for precise electronic centering

Reviews (1)

5-0 out of 5 stars Good solid Yoke, the game doesn't support yokes
You can get one of three versions of this flight yoke.This one is the best of them.It has three levers for Throttle, Prop angle and fuel.It also has the ignition switch(I guess) and enough buttons/switches to make any unliscensed airliner pilot happy.The only thing is the game that comes with it is NOT an airliner sim, it's a fighter sim and you need a flight stick(or any standard Joystick) to play it good.The flight yoke is programable but comes with no instructions and no software.I still am going to have to look up some airplain info as to how to program it right(or I'm just an idiot and don't have ESP like everyone else).Rudders are a must because hey, it's a flight yoke and you may as well go all the way.I was feeling silly so I put a silly review for the Throttle Quadrant I will probably have to find info on it too as with all CH no instructions/maps.Other than that, a Big Five Alive!This thing is rock solid.The plastic is(or seems) the kind used to make polycart trash dumpsters, meaning if you drop it it is as if you didn't.The controls are responsive.The wheel is a bit off center but maybe that's the way the game programs it.I still don't know how to properly set the travel of the rudders axis in the game included with this yoke as it is meant for a flight stick. ... Read more


13. Logitech WingMan Formula Force GP Wheel with Pedals
by Logitech
list price: $69.99
our price: $53.99
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Asin: B00004VUFG
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Logitech
Sales Rank: 6136
Average Customer Review: 4.0 out of 5 stars
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Amazon.com Product Description

With Logitech's WingMan Formula Force GP Wheel with Pedals, you can experience what really happens on the racetrack. The force-feedback steering wheel lets you feel the road, bumps, walls, and crashes. The custom-designed wheel shape includes rubber handgrips for comfort and precise steering control. Two wheel-mounted gear shifters allow for quick gear changes while staying in control. Four programmable buttons provide easy control of car functions and view changes. The space-saving console design takes up minimal room on your desktop and holds the wheel tight and secure with a dual clamping. The WingMan Formula Force GP Wheel includes realistic gas and brake pedals mounted on a weighted base and a nonslip, textured floorboard to provide your feet with better traction and to prevent slippage. The WingMan Formula Force GP Wheel requires a USB connection and works on the PC platform. ... Read more

Features

  • USB port connection provides easy plug-and-play installation
  • Rubber handgrips for comfort and precise control
  • Gas and brake pedals for a realistic driving experience
  • 4 programmable buttons for quick and easy control of horn, lights, view changes
  • 2 wheel-mounted gear shifters

Reviews (23)

5-0 out of 5 stars Get it!
I ordered the Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP w/ foot pedals on a late Sunday afternoon, using the super saver free shipping. I believe Amazon reports that the free shipping takes 7 - 9 days to be delivered? Tuesday afternoon at 4pm, almost exactly 48 hours later, the wheel was at my house! It arrived in a brand new, excellent, unscathed condition.

I took the wheel out and mounted it to the lip of my computer desk using the two screw down plastic clamps provided underneath the wheel. I thought the clamps looked flimsy, and would probably break easily! However, I have been playing for days now and the wheel is completely stable and does not move nor suffer from "plastic flex"! Just make sure you do _not_ overtighten them when you screw them down! Just get them secure, they WILL hold if you do it properly. I find the wheel to be the perfect size for my desk, I can keep it attached and use my keyboard and mouse without any problems at all.

Next, I positioned the foot pedals on the floor. My desk has a bottom board, and I put the foot pedals up against it so they won't slide. They have a jack similar to a telephone, and it plugs directly into the righthand side of the wheel. The A/C adapter plugs in next to the phone-jack type port for the pedals, and is very lightweight!

Then, I started up my computer and installed the software. You put the disk in, and it comes up with a menu that lets you install it. If you already have another Logitech device, such as a Wingman joystick, then you don't need to install the software! It uses the same stuff! Once the software is installed, you simply plug the USB connector into your computer, and POOF! The system will immediately make any changes it has to, and you can start using your wheel! I would strongly suggest a calibration before use.

The wheel and pedals are very durable, and work flawlessly. The paddle shifters are easy to reach and use! I find the best game to use this wheel with is Need for Speed: Underground. They make a great combo.

It takes a slight breaking in period to get used to using a wheel. While it makes the game very realistic, remember that it is still up to the game programmers to provide good game physics for using it! I've also played with a Microsoft Force Feedback wheel at a friend's house, and I like this Logitech a lot better!

1-0 out of 5 stars Microsoft Wheel is better
This wheel is perfectly centered, until you plug in the usb. Then it goes off center by almost 45 degrees. It has a grinding feel like it needs to be oiled. It also sqeaks when turning. Driving with the wheel off center makes it harder to reach the buutons. Go Microsoft.

3-0 out of 5 stars Little too jerky
Overall a good buy for the money. Wheel is very jerky and too sensitive in Nascar racing and Indy Car racing. Turning on Steering assist in Nascar racing smooths things out but some online leagues don't allow this. Pedals are OK. Spaced very well. Brake pedal feels very sensitive.

2-0 out of 5 stars Clearly the worst wheel I've ever bought.
There are many bad things about this wheel. For 1, whenever you turn it, it turns way to far to the side, and the car you are driving goes off the track. Another thing is, the pedals don't work very well. When you push even a millimeter dow on the gas pedal, the car speeds way up. Also, the brake/reverse pedal doesn't work at all. You have to reset the car if you want to reverse. On some games, the gas apedal and thebrake/reverse pedal don't work at all. When this happens, the car just speeds ahead, and there is no way to slow it down. Never the less, the wheel doesn't break easily, and it has rumbel built in. If you want a good wheel, then I advise you to by one without pedals.

4-0 out of 5 stars Good Starter Wheel
I've been using this wheel for a little over a year now, and it provides excellent connectivity and responsiveness.The forcefeedback, while not as strong or convincing as the newer MOMO wheel, offers good "feel for the dollar" value.In games such as Colin McRae 2.0, Rallisport Challenge, and F1, the feel of the wheel is quite good, and having been on the market for at least a couple years now, all the bugs are worked out of the drivers and support from Logitech.It won't increase your upper body strength like the MOMO, but still an excellent wheel for racing. ... Read more


14. Logitech USB Keyboard for PS2
by Logitech

our price: $18.99
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Asin: B00008OQTI
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Logitech
Sales Rank: 2706
Average Customer Review: 4.0 out of 5 stars
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Logitech Inc (967199-0100) USB Keyboard for PS2 ... Read more

Reviews (7)

4-0 out of 5 stars Compact, but functional
I was looking for a way to save space on my desktop. Numeric keypads are a waste of space unless you're using a cash register but they occupy valuable space. I'd been looking for a low cost space saving keyboard but they seemed to be expensive. But then I saw this on sale. It wasn't marketed as working with PCs but I risked it anyway. It works perfectly with both MacOS X and Windows XP.



It certainly saves space. It's actually more compact than laptop keyboards. I'm used to using the Fn key to get features like 'Home' and 'PgUp' but the number and function keys are half height which makes them slightly tricky to use. But this may affect touch typists more than hunt-and-peck types like me.



Overall a great space saver for PCs but slightly cramped layout. I've not tried it on a PS2. I've no idea why it is marketed as a PS2 keyboard!

1-0 out of 5 stars Absolutley Retarted
This Keyboard is the apitimy of accesories. The overall use of this item is at an all time low. The board is made of cheap plastic and the keys are not safe to pressure. Their easy breaking habits make this keboard a death trap for small children. A waste of time to make a keyboard for a playstation 2 instaed of a computer. The small number of games one is able to play with a PS2 is very limited and the number of good games is even more scarce. The chances of you using this keyboard frequently would be close to 1 in 99999999999 trillion. I am serious the moment you open the box you wont even use this product. That is how retarted it really is!!
Don't waste your money....Instead give the money to a charity [...]

5-0 out of 5 stars Works great with Windows XP
Bought this keyboard to use at local LAN parties. It's incredibly small, but still fully comfortable for typing. The placement of some of the keys is a little different, but I've had no problems getting used to them after about a week of normal use. I have no real complaints, although I wish that Logitech had given a small amount of space between the row of function keys and the number keys. Both rows are smaller buttons and the space would have made the keys a bit easier to hit when gaming.

Overall still a fantastic product.

4-0 out of 5 stars logitech usb keyboard for ps2
This is one of the best keyboards on the market for a reasonable price. the good thing is it size. It's small enough to fit in your lap as you send messages to your friends with the control in your hand. It works great with online titles such as socom2 and resident evil outbreak. I highly recommend this product if you play on-line a lot.

5-0 out of 5 stars Awesome keyboard
This keyboard is perfect for any online PS2 game.I bought it for Final Fantasy XI and have been very happy with it.If you can afford it, though, I would recommend the Logitech Netplay thing that has the keyboard and controller in one unit so you don't have to switch between the keyboard and the controller. ... Read more


15. Logitech Dual Action Game Pad USB
by Logitech
list price: $19.99
our price: $17.38
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Asin: B0000ALFCI
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Logitech
Sales Rank: 2448
Average Customer Review: 2.0 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

The Logitech Dual Action Gamepad... it's the ultimate precision instrument, whether you're going for the tackle, the kill, the gold, or the finish line. The comfortable grip keeps you at the top of your game for hours of play, and the familiar design and layout of the action buttons and triggers will have you dominating in no time. ... Read more

Features

  • Start playing right away with plug-and-play convenience
  • Play any kind of game with this versatile controller
  • Feel the precision of two analog joysticks with digital buttons that have smooth 360-degree action
  • Take full control with the familiar design and layout of 12 programmable buttons, which includes four triggers and digital buttons under the analog joysticks
  • Be prepared for whatever comes your way with the trusty 8-way d-pad

Reviews (52)

3-0 out of 5 stars Good, but be carefull
This controler is fine, and easy to use, but mine only lasted a few months, the analogue stick went crazy.It did take quite a beating from my 4 year old naphew, but I have and older Belking Nostromo that has taken the same rough treatment for several months more, and that one still works fine.Oh, and the D-pad is not very precise.

If you still want one of these because it is simple and well designed, take really good care of it.

4-0 out of 5 stars Simply a Great Buy.
The Logitech Dual Action Gamepad looks similar to a Playstation Controller.The analog sticks are 100% accurate; The analog sticks themselves have a non slip, rubbery top making it nearly impossible for your fingers to slip off.

The other buttons on the controller are just as good as the analog sticks; They function perfectly as well.

One issue to discuss is that this controller does not have force feedback (It does not vibrate). Some may rate this controller less for not having vibration but that would be unfair; This controller was made to NOT have vibration and thus the price is less than the Logitech Rumblepad 2 Vibration Feedback Gamepad (963325-0403) which is just a just a little more expensive.

The D-pad can sometimes be hard to mash in the exact direction you want, but it is still function fine.If you press up you may click diagonal left if you are not careful, and that is the reason I gave it 4 stars instead of 5.But, the precision of the analog sticks makes up for this fault by far.

In a nutshell, the Logitech Dual Action Game Pad is a high quality controller that I would recommend to anyone that does not care about vibration. However, if you are like me and have to have vibration look into the other models that have vibration.

1-0 out of 5 stars THIS IS THE WORST PAD EVER!!!!! dont get it!!!
I bought this pad and it only lasted about an hour!!! I tried calibrating it and it still didnt work. the only thing that broke was the analog sticks which is the most important part. whatever you do DONT BY THIS GAMEPAD because it will come back to haunt you and horrify you with its BAADDDNESS!!!

(Instead of this controller I would recomend a microsoft pad)

2-0 out of 5 stars D-Pad issues
The D-Pad on this controller is terrible.It feels mushy, but more importantly it impossible to consistenly hit any single direction.If you try to go right, you will often press up or down in addition, resulting in diagonal movement.This can be devastating, depending on the game.For example, it is impossible to reliably perform even simple fighting game moves such as SubZero's freeze or Ken/Ryu's fireball.Also, this pad lacks a button to swap the D-Pad with the left analog stick.

The Saitek P880 is much better in this area.Also, Logitech fixed these issues when they made their Rumblepad 2, but it's a bit more expensive due to the rumble feature.If you think you ever might want to use the D-Pad, buy one of those other controllers instead of this one.

2-0 out of 5 stars Hunk a' Junk
This game pad will work very well for two or three months until the left analog stick malfunctions.This is not a very durable piece of hardware. ... Read more


16. Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner FFB Joystick (2969050)
by Guillemot
list price: $99.99
our price: $72.19
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Asin: B00008ELI0
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Guillemot
Sales Rank: 10507
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Product Description

Give in to real throttle jerking, stick shifting, missile launching fun. The Top Gun™ AfterBurner™ joystick gives you everything you need to come out victorious in even the worst of dogfights.

When combat aerial Sims are more than just a pass time, then you know how important it is to work with the right stuff. The AfterBurner™ Joystick gives you all the tools needed to perform even the most difficult of missions. A multitude of buttons, up to 60 programmable functions via Thrustmaster’s unique Thrustmapper&reg; software, amazing comfort both on the stick and the detachable throttle, dual rudder with twisting handle and rocking knobthe list goes on, and so will you.

Take control of your fighting power. The AfterBurner™ will be your edge on the competition.

  • 8-way hat-switch for swift digital movement
  • Dual rudder with twisting handle and rocking knob
  • Full-size detachable throttle with idle and afterburner detents
  • 8 programmable buttons: trigger, Fox 2 buttons and 6 action buttons
  • Up to 60 programmable functions thanks to our Thrustmapper&reg; software
  • Comfort enlarged hand rest and rubber-textured grip
  • Adjustable resistance for customized ergonomics
  • Weighted metal base with removable suction cups and spare wing
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Features

  • Twisting handle and rocking button on the throttle
  • Got a thing for combat FlightSims? So do we! Give in to real throttle jerking, stick shifting, missile launching fun. The Top Gun┬┐ AfterBurner┬┐ joystick gives you everything you need to come out victorious in even the worst of dogfights.
  • The Top Gun AfterBurner Force Feedback joystick is the first joystick combining a full size detachable throttle with Idle and Afterburner settings.
  • The Top Gun AfterBurner Force Feedback joystick also features 8 programmable buttons, an 8-way hat switch with point-of-view capabilities and an original design.
  • Now you can feel the blast from missile launches, rattle through rough crash landings and get a healthy dose of shell-shock from head-on collisions. - PC

17. Logitech WingMan Formula GP Racing Wheel -USB
by Logitech
list price: $39.99
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Asin: B00005U21B
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Logitech
Sales Rank: 12828
Average Customer Review: 4.0 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Let go of your keyboard, joystick, or gamepad and experience racing like the pros with this entry-level, precision-crafted steering wheel.Race like the pros! There's nothing like getting behind the wheel and stepping on the gas pedal to make you feel like you're part of the action. So let go of your keyboard, joystick, or gamepad and get a grip on this easy-to-install racing wheel. ... Read more

Features

  • One-year warranty
  • Easily control your car with the custom wheel, paddle shifters, and four programmable buttons
  • Accelerate and brake precisely with realistic pedals mounted on a weighted base
  • Customize button and force feedback functionality
  • Plug and play

Reviews (9)

5-0 out of 5 stars Not bad for the money...
PRO: its cheap, seen it new for under 20 bux
CON: its cheap,wheel is all plastic and very sloppy feel

PRO: good clamping system
CON: no stick shifter, paddle shifters only

All in all for the money this is an ok wheel. I set the linearity less then 50 @ most tracks, alot of oversteer otherwise.The paddle shifetrs are a pain, would much rather have the stick.

3-0 out of 5 stars good for kids, adults might want to stick with the keyboard
If you are accustomed to using the keyboard and want the fine control afforded by that, I would not recommend this steering wheel. However, I do recommend it, if you are looking to buy this for a child to play driving games.

This may be a problem with all "analog" steering wheels. I find that the "digital" keyboard gives me better control. But kids, who have not mastered the keyboard, will find this steering wheel perfectly adequate.

5-0 out of 5 stars The perfect add-on to a driving/racing game
Ok, everybody, this is not the force feed back wheel. They're more expensive. This is your down to earth 10" racing wheel with gas/brake pedals that out does any keyboard control I have ever tried to use. It's a great computer steering wheel that works as it should. It's accurate, simple to set up, and FUN to use. The price is perfect, too. I gave it 5 stars because it has worked flawlessly for well over a year for me and is still working perfectally. I truely don't believe you could find a better wheel for the price. (Gosh, it's made by Logitech! What more could you want?) I never installed the software, I just plugged it in and started driving with no problems. I am also using Windows Home and Professional on two seperate PC's. If you're looking for a wheel and on a budget, bingo, you found one here. Buy it, you won't go wrong.

4-0 out of 5 stars It take a little getting used to.....
Okay, so the pedals don't feel like real automobile pedals. It's a gaming device, people! I'm looking for realism plus fun, and that's what I got. True, it does take a considerable amount of practice to get used to it. Especially if, like me, you've spent years mashing keyboard buttons to play driving games. I'ts a LOT harder using the wheel and pedals, but a heck of a lot more fun! To answer Pedro Couto e Santo's question in his earlier review: 'So... what's the point to buying a steering wheel and pedals if you can actually play driving games better on your keyboard?'. The answer is you can't play driving games with the wheel and pedals the same way you play with the keyboard. You have to re-learn everything. Have fun with your re-education!

1-0 out of 5 stars I must be doing something wrong
I can't help but rate this item very low. I've been going through the other reviews and I don't understand how people are having so much fun with this.

I've tested this mainly on Colin McRae Rally 2, and CMR 3. The games are really great driving games, and CMR3 even detected the Wingman Formula GP before I installed the logitech software. But driving in these games using this wheel is a series of zig-zags through the rally tracks!

It's terribly annoying, you spend more time trying desperatly to aim the car at the road, steering left and right furiously, than actually concentrating on the race, the curves and your timing.

I've played some tracks dozens of times and up to now, using the wheel, I simply cannot beat the time I did with the keyboard on my first try!

So... what's the point to buying a steering wheel and pedals if you can actually play driving games better on your keyboard? ... Read more


18. Thrustmaster FireStorm Dual Power 3 Gamepad (2960630)
by Guillemot
list price: $29.99
our price: $20.89
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Asin: B00008ZLHK
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Guillemot
Sales Rank: 18510
Average Customer Review: 3.5 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Feel the Power in the Palm of your Hands

With the Firestorm™ Dual Power gamepad in the palm of your hands, your PC’s game library is sure to increase. After all, with force feedback flowing through your hands, 360-degree movement via the 2 analog controllers, and rubber-textured grip, playing sports, action, and even racing games take on a new meaning.

Don’t forget the 13 quick-action programmable buttons with keyboard emulation putting the most important moves right at your fingertips.

And this baby is just Plug and PlayUSB connection and Thrustmapper&reg; 3 programming software to customize to your heart’s desire. Both digital and analog modes to give you the precision you seek.

However don’t expect us to include batteriescause you won’t need them. All this power comes without extra power sources. USB

  • 2 built-in motors for optimized force feedback sensations
  • 13 programmable quick-action buttons
  • 2 analog controllers let you control 4 separate axes
  • Complete mouse and keyboard emulation
  • Digital and analog modes for peak performance
  • Sleek and ergonomic design for optimized gameplay
  • Rubber-textured gamepad for maximum comfort
  • Thrustmapper&reg; 3 programming software for advanced customization
  • No batteries required
  • Powered by Immersion TouchSense™ technology
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Features

  • Rubber-textured gamepad for maximum comfort
  • The two analog mini-stick controllers enable players to control movement along four different axes
  • Improved, more responsive 8-way D-pad
  • 12 programmable buttons for better gaming and quicker response time
  • Twin built-in motors for optimized force feedback sensations

Reviews (5)

4-0 out of 5 stars Not perfect, but the best PC gamepad so far
I've done extensive testing with many PC gamepads, including theSaitek P2500 Rumble Force Pad, the NYKO "Air Flo EX,"Logitech's Dual Action Gamepad (the ubiquitous 20$ everyone seems to get from Best Buy), the Interact Hammerhead FX, and all models of Thrustmaster's Firestorm. I've used all of these pads over an extended period of time with intense use, and I heavily favor and recommend the Thrustmaster Firestorm models. Some controllers simply aren't reliable and break after only a few weeks of use (Logitech Dual Action Gamepad), while others are uncomfortable or have button configurations that, while original, tend not to be as good as the traditional PSX dual analog design (Saitek P2500, Hammerhead FX). The newly released Nyko Air Flo Ex is a nice, large controller with a cooling fan that works; unfortunately, the controller's directional pad is mediocre, the start/select buttons are very difficult to push, and the fan is annoyingly loud.

As for the Thrustmaster Firestorms, they are generally high quality game pads, have the features you'd expect to have, no more and no less, have nice analog sticks and generally nice directional pads. Note that there are many versions of the Firestorm, but I will discuss the models including analog sticks only, as most tend to expect analog stick capabilities in their gamepads. The traditional Firestorm came with a directional pad with a flat surface that the thumb could "press." Refer to the product image here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000056Q1D/

Now, the newer Firestorm models, particularly the Dual Power 3 and the wireless version, have a directional pad that's designed to make your finger lean to the desired direction rather than press it. Refer to the product image here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008ZLHK/

I suppose this makes moving around the pad easier, similar to that of an analog stick, but it makes pressing one single direction, such as "left" error prone -- you often get down-left or up-left. This, subsequently, makes it impossible to "tap" a direction accurately. Keep this in mind when purchasing one of their pads, because if extreme accuracy in the directional pad is a consideration, then you might want to choose an earlier model. To the newer dpad's credit, I have been unable to wear out of one of these dpads, while I was able to wear out one of the older versions.

Also, a warning about the wireless version of the Firestorm: it's behavior is erratic at best. Note that my comments are based on the controller's performance with fully charged batteries and with the controller directly next to its wireless base. There is a slight lag between pressing a button and having it registered by the base; this is probably to be expected, but is unacceptable in some games. The problem is exacerbated if it's the first button you've pressed in awhile, because the controller "powers off" and must "power on" again when you press your next button, which takes a second and sometimes your button press is lost. A better model would be to explicitly set the controller to "on" so that it is always transmitting and doesn't have to detect when the user is no longer using it. This is done by the official Nintendo Gamecube wireless controllers and works quite well. if you must have wireless, I must recommend that you look towards other vendors' wireless models.

Linux: the Firestorm controllers in particular work well in Linux; they have no troublesome features, like shift buttons or turbo switches, that are sometimes not supported in Linux.

4-0 out of 5 stars great gamepad, software needs a little help
I did extensive research on gamepads before finally buying this one.Excluding wireless controllers because I was not interested in buying/recharging batteries time after time, I found the best 3 gamepads were the Belkin Nostromo N45, the Saitek P2500, and this one, which, by the way, is the Thrustmaster Firestorm Dual Power 3.I point out that it is the 3rd revision of Firestorm Dual Power series because many retailers fail to distinguish one from the others, and the newest controller is usually going to be the best due to corrections of errors in past versions.You can make sure the product you are buying is the Dual Power 3 by checking the Manufacturer's ID number, which is 2960630.Unfortunately, I couldn't even find that number on Thrustmaster's site.I just happened to get lucky finding a retailer with the number and with a picture of the box big enough for me to read "Dual Power 3" on the side. Anyway, on with the review.

Many reviews have noted and praised the soft material that this gamepad is made of, and I have to say I prefer it as well instead of a smooth plastic that can get slippery. Another feature that adds to one's ability to grip the controller is the addition of 2 trigger buttons on the underside of the controller.I guess the best comparison of these would be the trigger on the N64 standard controller, but the N64's trigger doesn't fit your hand like this one does. The controller fit my hands very well, and I didn't experience notable cramping during extended gameplay.The buttons are just the right size.All of them are as responsive as I would like.The Dpad is probably the best you can get for an 8 way pad, and the analog sticks have the right tension and are accurate.The rumble also felt good, and while it doesn't work in all games, it goes well in the games that do support it. Though I've only had mine for a day, I can only assume by the feel of it that if you aren't an intense gamer that slams the dpad and analog sticks around during play, this controller should last you a while.

As for the software, it was a bit tricky getting it all to work at first, but it wasn't impossible.I believe the instructions say install the programming software, Thrustmapper, first, then install the drivers.Well, before you do anything, go to Thrustmaster's site and get the latest versions of everything (drivers, software, help file, etc.) because from what I've read the software and drivers contained on the CD are outdated.Once you have all that stuff, I found that it only worked when I did the opposite of what it said: install the driver first, then install the software so that the software can recognize the existence of the controller. I was sure not to plug the controller in until after everything was done installing and rebooting.After that, the software has worked fine.It is still a bit confusing due to no documentation, but I think most of us can make it.By the way, while it isn't advertised as much as it is for other pads, this one can also assign control of mouse axes in games.Another thing not advertised much is that the profiles you make for each game can be activated automatically (when you start the games .exe) or manually.If done manually, you can actually navigate windows with the controller, but I just don't see a need to do so.My only gripe with the software so far is that I haven't found a way to map the simultaneous pressing of two keys to one button.For instance, on the dpad if the up arrow is mapped to
'w' (the forward key in most first person shooters) and the right arrow is mapped to 'd'(the strafe right key in most first person shooters), i haven't found a way to map the diagonal arrow going up to the right to 'w' + 'd'.This, while annoying, isn't a major problem for me since most games I play can make use of the left analog stick for movement instead of the dpad, but I will continue to look for the solution in any case.Other than that everthing has worked fine.I have played a few games already and it has performed how I would expect it to.

Obviously I cannot vouch for the long term durability of the controller, I can only speculate that its strong feel will last a long enough time for newer, better controllers to come out.

Overall, I'll give it a 4 because of the minor confusions in installation and the mapping problem.To be honest, from what I have read in all the reading on gamepads I have done, no one gamepad for sale today is without its flaws, and every pad I've seen will have some reviewers who praise the pad without much reason or thought, or who bash the pad because of unique problems (big hands, small hands, rough play which breaks the controller). So, take all reviews with a grain of salt.In my opinion, however, I felt this was the best I could get for the price.

4-0 out of 5 stars Solid, comfortable, dependable.
After my old Gravis Gamepad died on me after 2 years of service, I was looking for a nice replacement with some modern features.When I was controller shopping I looked for 3 things - first, I wanted a controller that felt solid in my hands.This one fit the bill perfectly.It is heavy enough to fill your hands and not rattle, but light enough that it doesn't cause any fatigue after playing for hours.Second, I wanted a controller with responsive buttons that were within easy reach.Again after trying all the controllers on display at my local computer store, this one worked perfectly.There aren't any extraneous buttons and they fit into the highly recognizeable dual shock configuration - with the addition of two extra trigger buttons on the back.In addition I wanted a d-pad that was responsive to all 8 directions without sticking to any of the 2 major axis'.
Finally, I wanted one with two heavy duty motors.From my explorations inside the various controllers, these seemed to be the most reliable, best mounted motors in the same price range.

The only problems I had with this controller was due to the dated drivers shipped with the joypad.Just don't install the drivers off the CD.Rather go to Thrustmaster's website and download the most recent drivers right off the bat.

All in all, as I'm not one to vent my frustration on my controllers...(ie leaning on the analog sticks), I see this to be the controller to last me until I decide to go wireless.

4-0 out of 5 stars Solid, comfortable, dependable.
After my old Gravis Gamepad died on me after 2 years of service, I was looking for a nice replacement with some modern features.When I was controller shopping I looked for 3 things - first, I wanted a controller that felt solid in my hands.This one fit the bill perfectly.It is heavy enough to fill your hands and not rattle, but light enough that it doesn't cause any fatigue after playing for hours.Second, I wanted a controller with responsive buttons that were within easy reach.Again after trying all the controllers on display at my local computer store, this one worked perfectly.There aren't any extraneous buttons and they fit into the highly recognizeable dual shock configuration - with the addition of two extra trigger buttons on the back.In addition I wanted a d-pad that was responsive to all 8 directions without sticking to any of the 2 major axis'.
Finally, I wanted one with two heavy duty motors.From my explorations inside the various controllers, these seemed to be the most reliable, best mounted motors in the same price range.

The only problems I had with this controller was due to the dated drivers shipped with the joypad.Just don't install the drivers off the CD.Rather go to Thrustmaster's website and download the most recent drivers right off the bat.

All in all, as I'm not one to vent my frustration on my controllers...(ie leaning on the analog sticks), I see this to be the controller to last me until I decide to go wireless.

1-0 out of 5 stars Snap!!!
The d-pad on this thing broke off after 3 months. This thing is fairly useless. ... Read more


19. Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner II Joystick (2969049)
by Guillemot
list price: $59.99
our price: $43.69
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Asin: B00007LP20
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Guillemot
Sales Rank: 24860
Average Customer Review: 2.5 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Thrustmaster’s line of Top Gun™ joysticks has given flightsim fans unique and effective means of indulging in their passions. The Top Gun™ AfterBurner II™ is no exception.

Designed for a more realistic flight feel, the detachable throttle, sleek black look, and adjustable handle resistance make the AfterBurner II precise and effective in all forms of flight simulation.

In addition, the redesigned action buttons offer a curved shape for smoother transition, the 8-way hat-switch has a non-slip surface, and the stick and throttle are rubber-textured for greater comfort.

The AfterBurner II also comes with customizing software, the Thrustmapper 3.0, to give you access to up to 60 different functions. With all this personalization available, you can be sure that this will be a stick you can truly call your own.

Features

  • Full size detachable throttle with idle & afterburner detents
  • Dual rudder: twisting handle & rocking button on throttle
  • 8 programmable action buttons
  • 8-way textured hat-switch
  • Adjustable handle resistance
  • Rubber-textured grip on handle and throttle
  • Enlarged hand rest
  • Weighted base with spare wing & non-slip rubber pads
  • Up to 60 programmable functions
  • Thrustmapper&reg; 3 programming software
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Reviews (2)

4-0 out of 5 stars Afterburner 2
I have used this product for about a year, mainly playing IL-2 Sturmovik with it.I have used microsoft joysticks before, and this is a definite step up.I love the big throttle with buttons on it, and the stick is about as comfortable as you can get.The stick has adjustments for tension, but there are no adjustments to the rudder or throttle (which would be nice).
There are 2 extra positions on the throttle, 1 just before the max, and 1 idle- before min.it would be better if these 2 places were adjustable with adjustable tension for the throttle, but it works fine.
I do think the rudder that is on the throttle is useless, or at least hard for me to use.I would like a HAT on the rudder as well, but this has served me very well.With XP, it automatically identifies it, with no setup at all.If you don't have XP, you might have a problem because it does not come with a cd full of drivers.
This is a good bargain at $40, i bought mine for 60 or more.
Don't buy a used or refurbished one. My friend did and his rudder only works 1 direction, and it has little resistance.

1-0 out of 5 stars Nothing more than a Good Paperweight
After attempting to struggle with this product for 3 days in a Flight Sim Arena, I very easily drew up one simple conclusion."What was I thinking when I made this purchase?"

Pros:

1. Feel and Tension of the Joystick itself is not bad.
2. Feel and Tension of the Throttle is not bad.
3. Price seemed reasonable.

Cons:

1. No Software packaged with the product.
2. The Software for the product has to be downloaded from Guillemots website.
3. Basically the software (Once downloaded)is useless as far as fine tuning and adjusting the joystick.
4. No ability to adjust the sensitivity of the Joystick movement.
5. No ability to adjust dead spot when the Joystick is centered.
6. No ability to adjust rudder sensitivity (Either Twist option on the Joystick or Buttons on Throttle).
7. Without above three, executing precision movement was rather difficult.
8. The sensitivity on the rudder was set so high that the slightest twist would result in tremendous movement.

Basically this one is all Eye Candy - Looks good but doesn't deliver. As I await for my CH Fightersitck to arrive I have pulled my Sidewinder Precision Pro 2 out of retirement for the interim.It is a shame that MicroSux is not manufacturing Joysticks anymore.It was one of the few products they offered without any gliches. ... Read more


20. Saitek P2500 Rumble Force PC Game Pad
by Saitek
list price: $29.99
our price: $23.74
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Asin: B000075B5V
Catlog: CE
Manufacturer: Saitek
Sales Rank: 11035
Average Customer Review: 3.0 out of 5 stars
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Product Description

Saitek (J62) P2500 Rumble Force Pad ... Read more

Features

  • Shift Key – provides up to 20 programmable functions
  • 2 quick-fire shoulder triggers
  • Advanced programming provided by Saitek Smart Technology (SST) software
  • 8-way D-pad
  • 6 responsive buttons

Reviews (5)

2-0 out of 5 stars Usuable but clumsy.Read for an alternative.
I have been seaching for a good gamepad to use for emulators and other games on my PC for some time now and have found that while there are many great gamepads being made for Playstation 2, X-Box, and other consoles, there are few good PC gamepads worth buying.While there were some positive aspects to this controller, the problems I have had with the other gamepads in the past were evident in this product as well:1)The buttons were much too close together, resulting in accidental pushes of random buttons;2)The analog sticks were very loose, without the resistance I was used to in other gamepads (ie. X-Box, PS2);3)The shoulder/trigger buttons (L & R) were huge, with only one on each side rather than two as most gamepads have now;4)There was no "start" or "select" button in the center.These functions could be programmed onto other buttons, but this was confusing and difficult to remember;5)The D-pad (the directional buttons shaped like a plus sign), essential for many games created for older cartridge consoles (ie. SNES, NES, Sega...), was very akward and imprecise.Pushes on the horizontal parts of the D-pad were often interpreted as up or down;6)Finally, the controller just felt cheaply made, as if it would break easily if dropped.The buttons clicked loudly (I prefer a quiet gamepad) were did not feel smooth to push.

While this controller could probably have sufficed, I was looking for much more from a $30 controller.In the end I returned this product and purchased on Ebay an adapter that allows you to hook a Playstation (or PS2) controller into a USB port and found some original Playstation controllers for very cheap since few people use those any more.Also this adapter allows me to plug two controllers into one USB port for easy multiplay.This has worked flawlessly and ended up being much cheaper (I believe the adapter was about $8 and the PS controllers were given to me by a friend).This is the method I would recommend.I hope this helps frustrated people like me who have so far been disappointed with PC controllers.

3-0 out of 5 stars A nice controller, not perfect, but nice.
This is a nice controller, lots of buttons and programmability, perfect for PC games or playing your favorite console emulators. The key-mapping features are excellent because you can create seperate profiles for each PC game or emulator you use. You can also use the Shift to give each button a seperate function. Setting turbo buttons is easy to learn.

This pad is nice, but not flawless.
Here are my gripes about the P25000.

1: I really don't see the point of having Rumble Pack as there are so few games that even use it. I was never a big fan of rumble and always thought it to be over-rated.

2: This pad is wireless, which might be nice... but then you have to deal with the batteries dying. Personally I like the Saitek P880 better because it doesn't give me any problems.

3: The L and R shoulder button's are a little too flush with the rest of the unit, they should be thicker, stick out more and give a good springy resistence like the rest of the buttons on the P880.

2: Pushing the D-pad up, down, or right makes a tick noise because its edges are hitting against the plastic housing. It doesn't do this when you press Left, there's just a nice rubbery springiness. ALL of the directions on the pad should feel this way. And why a hard plastic D-pad anyway? A softer plastic one would've been nicer and probably last longer.

Actually I had an idea... anyone remember Turbo Touch 360? It was like this little magic flat orange d-pad that sensed the heat of your thumb and kept you from getting blisters, now those were kewel. How come they don't make a PC gamepad with something like that?

The Saiteks come with a 2 YEAR WARRANTY. So in the unlikely event that the controller breaks before then, if you still have your proof of purchase (reciept) you can get a new one sent to you or pick it up at the store you bought it from.

2-0 out of 5 stars mediocre products
I returned the Saitek P3000 Wireless Gamepad because the batteries not working, and random glitches due to the wireless connection during game play. It was consistently a problem.

I decided, to keep with Saitek, but to buy this controller, so i could keep my profiles, and i wouldn't have to send a weekend programming it.

Right out of the box, i discovered the shift button did not work. So now i have to send this one back for a return.

Another weird thing is, when i loaded my profiles with this controller, they were blank. When i open the file, the data is still there. Instead of reprogramming it, i have decided to get the Logitech. I use their game-pads for my XBOX and have never had a problem.

I am convinced the Saitek just makes mediocre sub standard products. Its a name i will stay away from in the future.

Conclusion:
I just bought the , Logitech Wingman Wireless Rumble Pad its by far a better gamepad. Its 2.4GHZ, so it has distance. The software to program custom scripts is miles ahead of the Saitek SST software. When you load the profile, it automatically loads the game which it corresponds with.

Please, if your looking for a game pad, get the Logitech. Save your self the 3 weeks on pain I had to go through.

5-0 out of 5 stars A Solid Buy for the Console Gamer in You
I bought this controller on impulse after I found myself playing a some ported console games and emulators with no proper game pad, and I was pleasantly surprised by its solid design and features.

After some difficulties getting the drivers installed (a well-documented problem which I resolved by reading the online FAQs and may be resolved in the next driver release as they have beta drivers you can download on the Saitek forums that resolve the issue), I found that the driver software and key programming software is solid and intuitive.

The design of this controller is practically identical to Saitek's P800, and I can't blame them for keeping the same design. All of the buttons are responsive and easy to access, and the directional pad is accurate and solid, though it may take a bit of time to get used to it because it can feel too responsive at first.

The analog sticks are smooth and accurate, and also click in to act as buttons themselves. I wouldn't recommend binding these buttons for any vital tasks in games because they can be accidentally depressed, but for adjusting camera views or some similar functions, it can come in handy.

Overall, the large shoulder buttons and grips make this controller very comfortable for long periods of use, and basically make it a joy to use.

The rumble effects leave a bit to be desired, though, because I have yet to see the rumble effects work in games that don't use TouchSense's technology. This may simply be a problem with the fact that most PC games aren't designed to use a game pad, so there are few that actually have any force-feedback effects for me to really determine if the issue is with the controller or just the games I'm playing. However, in a game that does use TouchSense, such as Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2, the effects are spot on, and overall a bit too intense at 100% gain (I personally set mine down to 60%).

Since rumble capability is the only thing that separates this controller from the P800, you should evaluate your own gaming habits and decide if it justifies the (small) price difference.

4-0 out of 5 stars Decent controller
Cons: The rumble is inaccurate - compared to the Logitech wingman rumblepad, it is less compatible. Digital button sometimes doesnt work.
Pros: Good layout, durable design, nice glowing blue light, comfortable to hold, like the PS2 controller, you can click the 2 joysticks, which is good. ... Read more


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